tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post7235349670355687069..comments2024-02-29T02:06:59.726-09:00Comments on Fumbling Towards Endurance: Serious StuffUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-14238028000439881272013-01-14T14:05:05.725-09:002013-01-14T14:05:05.725-09:00Geoff,
I've read about your health travails f...Geoff,<br /><br />I've read about your health travails for awhile and thought "overtraining," but I didn't want to be a back seat driver. As other have said here, take the long view and give yourself time to get completely healthy. Looking forward to seeing you back at 100%.Peter Mindehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05907718697536195813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-51185354248894517042012-12-31T10:10:53.038-09:002012-12-31T10:10:53.038-09:00Look out, ultrarunning world. Geoff Roes is on the...Look out, ultrarunning world. Geoff Roes is on the comeback trail!<br /><br />Geoff, I'm so glad to hear that your health continues to improve. On Saturday I ran with Team CRUD down in Colorado Springs and one of the guys (who I won't name on here) was telling me he had overtraining sydrome a few years ago and his symptoms sounded exactly like what you've described on your blog. He got over it and went on to do some amazing things.<br /><br />WyattWyatt Hornsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224514798393011001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-22284922645792847052012-12-25T13:41:44.895-09:002012-12-25T13:41:44.895-09:00Good job recognizing what your problem is...and as...Good job recognizing what your problem is...and as you have already found out, a HR monitor is your friend.<br />Best of luck in 2013!Steve Perohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06233567281691642089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-59788854794558758802012-12-24T23:02:14.918-09:002012-12-24T23:02:14.918-09:00Thanks for sharing Your thoughts.
20 years ago af...Thanks for sharing Your thoughts.<br /><br />20 years ago after rough chemotheraphy my blood levels and whole body was totally wipe out.<br /><br />Now after over 50000 K of running I can only say we are on the blade all the time when we are talking overtraining. It is very long process to understand one´s limits.<br /><br />I wish you wisdom to find trail back to high level of our passion - ultrarunning.<br /><br />I think You always come back stronger and wiser - why not now too ?<br /><br />Target oriented running is not everything...as I e-mail You long time ago...<br /><br />Let the force be with You !pasi.koskinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04633743384053421058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-78818710347564010322012-12-24T09:42:39.104-09:002012-12-24T09:42:39.104-09:00That pretentious egomaniac Cloud appears to have b...That pretentious egomaniac Cloud appears to have been on to something.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02376446409534942024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-79872811453526562012012-12-24T05:18:33.013-09:002012-12-24T05:18:33.013-09:00Geoff come to ITALY! Geoff come to ITALY! titehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06054716239299467971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-10021635420123426652012-12-24T05:18:22.993-09:002012-12-24T05:18:22.993-09:00Geoff come to ITALY! Geoff come to ITALY! titehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06054716239299467971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-40677858735932129452012-12-23T03:19:52.511-09:002012-12-23T03:19:52.511-09:00Thanks for sharing this journey with us, Geoff. I&...Thanks for sharing this journey with us, Geoff. I'm guessing this is a much bigger issue than we know, especially in the ultrarunning community. Your story serves as a wake up call to many of us. Best of health and balance in the new year.Run Home Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13394064430195728410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-36154905092251779352012-12-23T01:46:45.399-09:002012-12-23T01:46:45.399-09:00Great to hear that you are feeling stronger. I'...Great to hear that you are feeling stronger. I'm sure you know a lot more about this than I do but its always worth remembering that good nutrition is the key.<br />Take care.<br />philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187266613726626738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-39775373265597863852012-12-22T19:45:27.613-09:002012-12-22T19:45:27.613-09:00Happy holidays and merry cristmas to you.
You must...Happy holidays and merry cristmas to you.<br />You must go all the way step by step and i hope the new year you will find the path which will drive you to the light!!!bakasvaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723081329087725686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-63146100387458563822012-12-22T14:44:21.916-09:002012-12-22T14:44:21.916-09:00Geoff,
Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better....Geoff, <br />Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better. Food for thought, I once read some where (Jack Daniels I think) that altitude training is a gamble for most. A third of the people improve, a third of the people stay the same, and a third of the people get worse. Maybe you fall in the latter third and living in Boulder contributed to your over training syndrome. <br />Good luck, I'm wishing you a healthy 2013.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489747812514700567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-16631017027688260662012-12-22T13:16:02.167-09:002012-12-22T13:16:02.167-09:00Really great news to that you're starting to f...Really great news to that you're starting to feel better and getting out and enjoying nature more. Nothing like some good winter conditions to help for sure. <br /><br />Sounds like you're being very cautious, though will be hard to once you start rolling again, but re-reading some of these posts in the coming months might be a good reminder. <br /><br />All the best...and happy holidays!<br />Derrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05226053638415425937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-11913365905647601812012-12-22T12:11:28.383-09:002012-12-22T12:11:28.383-09:00happy holidays mang.
hope the recovery keeps on g...happy holidays mang.<br /><br />hope the recovery keeps on going in the right direction.erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002087469616786196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-78912912816957014982012-12-22T11:36:35.009-09:002012-12-22T11:36:35.009-09:00Great to hear you are starting to feel better and ...Great to hear you are starting to feel better and able to get out in nature more. It's good of you to share your experience so openly, as many people will benefit from the hard lessons you are learning. I think usually a structural injury will give ultrarunners a recovery period they wouldn't willingly take otherwise. You seem to have been fortunate to have not had injury issues, but it made the recovery harder for you to get perhaps. Also, quite an amazing stretch of racing success and training enjoyment...pretty hard to not go with that while you were on a roll. <br />You're going in the right direction now so hopefully the good rapidly starts overtaking the bad. Have a great holiday.Sara Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13015835021322201315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-56086303399504626732012-12-22T10:58:19.002-09:002012-12-22T10:58:19.002-09:00Hope your recovery continues. The mysteries of th...Hope your recovery continues. The mysteries of the human body are difficult to unravel. <br /><br />I experienced a rapid, inexplicable decline in my running performance about 10 years ago. Nothing that shows up in ordinary life, just no ability to train beyond 7 - 9 miles here and there after 2 decades of training and racing hard. I was 33 at the time of the de line. My MD's conclude it is FAMS - Fatigued Athlete Myopathic Syndrome:<br /><br /><br /><br />http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/2003/09000/Athletes_with_Exercise_Associated_Fatigue_Have.11.aspx<br /><br />http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/38/6/697.full<br /><br />Noakes' Lab in South Africa was doing some work in this area in the early 2000's. <br /><br />All the best on your recoveryBurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07211770147671970928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-26676693400157524782012-12-22T10:57:32.519-09:002012-12-22T10:57:32.519-09:00Hope your recovery continues. The mysteries of th...Hope your recovery continues. The mysteries of the human body are difficult to unravel. <br /><br />I experienced a rapid, inexplicable decline in my running performance about 10 years ago. Nothing that shows up in ordinary life, just no ability to train beyond 7 - 9 miles here and there after 2 decades of training and racing hard. I was 33 at the time of the de line. My MD's conclude it is FAMS - Fatigued Athlete Myopathic Syndrome:<br /><br /><br /><br />http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/2003/09000/Athletes_with_Exercise_Associated_Fatigue_Have.11.aspx<br /><br />http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/38/6/697.full<br /><br />Noakes' Lab in South Africa was doing some work in this area in the early 2000's. <br /><br />All the best on your recoveryBurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07211770147671970928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-87988053292178358412012-12-22T10:41:55.383-09:002012-12-22T10:41:55.383-09:00I am so sorry you are fighting this. I can totall...I am so sorry you are fighting this. I can totally relate. I am not sure what labs you have had but I was (am) having symptoms of poor recovery, poor performance, brain fog, weight gain, sleepyness, etc. I went to Seattle Performance Medicine and had extensive testing which revealed wacked up cortisol, leptin, testosterone, and low blood sugar, low heart rate, and low bp. Dr. Cooper not only said this was typical of "overtraining syndrome" but I also have post prandial hypoglycemia so whenever I eat my blood sugar actually goes down. My muscles were needing sugar and not getting it. When you said this can happen to anyone you were correct. I, by no means am an elite runner but I have been running many miles and racing frequently over the past 7 years. My body finally said ENOUGH! It is driving me crazy to not be able to run (or do anything that raises my heart rate too high) but I know that this too shall pass. When I get through this I will feel stronger and healthier and same goes for you. Keep taking care of yourself and I am sure you will be back out on the trails soon... even faster (is that possible?) than before! Best, Monica Ochs Monica Ochshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07439526813373204956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-56577795188011607942012-12-22T10:28:47.483-09:002012-12-22T10:28:47.483-09:00Well-writ, Geoff. I've been (silently) followi...Well-writ, Geoff. I've been (silently) following your progress, and - as a middle of the pack ultra-dude - sensed the frustration you must have been feeling, as I've been there myself.<br /><br />I know this is sacrilege to say in the presence of other ultra runners, but I think we all live in denial of this reality, and the enablers are plentiful: Those tried and true sayings of, "You'll break through", "it's just a bad patch", in the wrong situation can be incredibly dangerous. Good on ya for recognizing and taking us through your journey! Rest up!rustyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15066704534173026199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-8319536783674448372012-12-22T10:06:36.458-09:002012-12-22T10:06:36.458-09:00It's funny how long it can take to come to ter...It's funny how long it can take to come to terms with something you're living through on a daily basis, when on the outside and in hindsight, it all seemed so obvious.<br /><br />I wish you nothing but the best with your recovery Geoff, your full until you are once again are the man to beat.<br /><br />My only advice is this: I have had a few friends go down with over training syndrome and their full recovery has taken much, much longer than they ever could have imagined. It wasn't weeks to months as much as it was over a year into a year and a half. <br /><br />As you've mentioned you've been fighting this for there better part of two years. Try not to let your mind get ahead of your body. There is a long road laid out ahead of you but it has to feel empowering to finally know what you are dealing with.<br /><br />All the best,<br />GRgarobbinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16576460882167758106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3807027359418593456.post-9155830846876823232012-12-22T09:53:08.745-09:002012-12-22T09:53:08.745-09:00Good news man.
Big huges from brazil.Good news man.<br />Big huges from brazil.simplifiquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665845201399444946noreply@blogger.com